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	<title>Comments on: What Makes a Great Photo (according to Digg users)</title>
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		<title>By: dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9605</link>
		<dc:creator>dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 03:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is entirely off-topic from the original post, but I just have to stick up for HDR a little bit here. I think we'll all agree that it's often mis-used. I did a quick search for HDR on Flickr, and all I got was piles of &lt;a href="http://flickr.com/search/?q=hdr&#38;w=all" rel="nofollow"&gt;tacky crap&lt;/a&gt;. But HDR is just a tool, and as such, it's what we make of it.

I shot an image on my way home tonight with HDR in mind just to make a point: &lt;a href="http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=439339281&#38;size=o" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=439339281&#38;size=o&lt;/a&gt;
This photo has a dynamic range that I'm just not able to get otherwise with my digital camera. Most importantly, the effect is intentionally subtle. To my eye, it's exactly what I saw when I took the photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is entirely off-topic from the original post, but I just have to stick up for HDR a little bit here. I think we&#8217;ll all agree that it&#8217;s often mis-used. I did a quick search for HDR on Flickr, and all I got was piles of <a href="http://flickr.com/search/?q=hdr&amp;w=all" rel="nofollow">tacky crap</a>. But HDR is just a tool, and as such, it&#8217;s what we make of it.</p>
<p>I shot an image on my way home tonight with HDR in mind just to make a point: <a href="http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=439339281&amp;size=o" rel="nofollow">http://flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=439339281&amp;size=o</a><br />
This photo has a dynamic range that I&#8217;m just not able to get otherwise with my digital camera. Most importantly, the effect is intentionally subtle. To my eye, it&#8217;s exactly what I saw when I took the photo.</p>
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		<title>By: j zorn</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9598</link>
		<dc:creator>j zorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i use flickr and i've never looked at "Everyone's Photos". why Shore would even be talking about the site seems strange. it has nothing to do with his world and his words just seem to be a swipe at the little guy. flickr is a giant camera club (or endless series of clubs) and does not pretend to offer "a steady stream of gallery-ready work". maybe Shore just doesn't like camera clubs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i use flickr and i&#8217;ve never looked at &#8220;Everyone&#8217;s Photos&#8221;. why Shore would even be talking about the site seems strange. it has nothing to do with his world and his words just seem to be a swipe at the little guy. flickr is a giant camera club (or endless series of clubs) and does not pretend to offer &#8220;a steady stream of gallery-ready work&#8221;. maybe Shore just doesn&#8217;t like camera clubs.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9597</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:08:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The promise of HDR is much greater than its current application. When I first understood the process, I was optimistic that as digital matures, more and more of these sorts of software-based techniques would allow photography to go in directions that analog film-based photography could not. We're still in the early phases, so once the novelty wears off I'm sure we'll see some people start applying HDR in more subtle and powerful ways. But right now, there is some painfully bad stuff being churned out.

As to the purpose of Flickr, I think sites like Flickr and You Tube etc have large enough user populations to embrace many many subcultural niches within them. But if you sit and watch "Everyone's Photos" go by for a few minutes, you can see that most people are using it for vacation photos, casual party photos, family photos etc. The "art" photos are a minority and the "fine art" flavored amongst those a minority still. For any of us to expect a steady stream of gallery-ready work to float by seems unrealistic and undervalues the skill, attention and purposefulness required to make a great photo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The promise of HDR is much greater than its current application. When I first understood the process, I was optimistic that as digital matures, more and more of these sorts of software-based techniques would allow photography to go in directions that analog film-based photography could not. We&#8217;re still in the early phases, so once the novelty wears off I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ll see some people start applying HDR in more subtle and powerful ways. But right now, there is some painfully bad stuff being churned out.</p>
<p>As to the purpose of Flickr, I think sites like Flickr and You Tube etc have large enough user populations to embrace many many subcultural niches within them. But if you sit and watch &#8220;Everyone&#8217;s Photos&#8221; go by for a few minutes, you can see that most people are using it for vacation photos, casual party photos, family photos etc. The &#8220;art&#8221; photos are a minority and the &#8220;fine art&#8221; flavored amongst those a minority still. For any of us to expect a steady stream of gallery-ready work to float by seems unrealistic and undervalues the skill, attention and purposefulness required to make a great photo.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Norris</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9574</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Norris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, I disagree about flickr.  I know I'm just an amateur at best and a philistine at worst, but you're making quite a sweeping generalization about a site with tens of thousands of users.  I'm a flickr user so my bias is to be expected, but I don't like the idea that some people view flickr as being entirely "snapshots from the drug store".  My selections on there aren't as meticulously picked as my portfolio, but it's good for people like me, with no formal photography or art training at all, and no art/photography community immediately accessible, to get some encouragement and possibly feedback.

Granted, the feedback and encouragement is mostly like from other amateurs, and I'm routinely disappointed by which photos of mine the flickr masses decide to make popular, but to discount the whole site as snapshots just doesn't sit right with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, I disagree about flickr.  I know I&#8217;m just an amateur at best and a philistine at worst, but you&#8217;re making quite a sweeping generalization about a site with tens of thousands of users.  I&#8217;m a flickr user so my bias is to be expected, but I don&#8217;t like the idea that some people view flickr as being entirely &#8220;snapshots from the drug store&#8221;.  My selections on there aren&#8217;t as meticulously picked as my portfolio, but it&#8217;s good for people like me, with no formal photography or art training at all, and no art/photography community immediately accessible, to get some encouragement and possibly feedback.</p>
<p>Granted, the feedback and encouragement is mostly like from other amateurs, and I&#8217;m routinely disappointed by which photos of mine the flickr masses decide to make popular, but to discount the whole site as snapshots just doesn&#8217;t sit right with me.</p>
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		<title>By: dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9570</link>
		<dc:creator>dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flickr is also a great networking tool - which not everyone has access to in the non-virtual world. And while the signal to noise ratio is not great overall, I've got a good contact list and spend a lot of time looking at photos which I think are really great. 

And while most HDR photos are hideous and tacky, I've found the dynamic range of digital to be lacking at times, and tasteful use of HDR can come in quite handy. It's much the same thing Ansel Adams used to do with expansion and contraction while developing negatives, but with digital tools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flickr is also a great networking tool - which not everyone has access to in the non-virtual world. And while the signal to noise ratio is not great overall, I&#8217;ve got a good contact list and spend a lot of time looking at photos which I think are really great. </p>
<p>And while most HDR photos are hideous and tacky, I&#8217;ve found the dynamic range of digital to be lacking at times, and tasteful use of HDR can come in quite handy. It&#8217;s much the same thing Ansel Adams used to do with expansion and contraction while developing negatives, but with digital tools.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9567</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shore talks about flickr without knowing anything about it.  Flickr is about photography the way a photo album or vacation slide show is about photography. It's like flipping through your friends' envelopes of snapshots from the drug store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shore talks about flickr without knowing anything about it.  Flickr is about photography the way a photo album or vacation slide show is about photography. It&#8217;s like flipping through your friends&#8217; envelopes of snapshots from the drug store.</p>
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		<title>By: j zorn</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9565</link>
		<dc:creator>j zorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>disappointing to see a quote like that from Stephen Shore. it's a site for amateur photographers that allows them to share the pictures they take with other amateur photographers. cliches and conventions abound everywhere. the fine art photography world is full of them as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>disappointing to see a quote like that from Stephen Shore. it&#8217;s a site for amateur photographers that allows them to share the pictures they take with other amateur photographers. cliches and conventions abound everywhere. the fine art photography world is full of them as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Bekman</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9563</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Bekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this is going to make you all go "Oof!" but the first time I saw HDR stuff I thought it was awfully pretty. 

People like it because it's visually pleasing, right? The saturated supernatural colors are so dramatic - it looks like a movie in a still picture in some ways.

Do I want it on &lt;b&gt;my&lt;/b&gt; wall? Highly unlikely. But a lot of people love it and it's an avenue by which they've become super excited about photography. I think that's kind of cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this is going to make you all go &#8220;Oof!&#8221; but the first time I saw HDR stuff I thought it was awfully pretty. </p>
<p>People like it because it&#8217;s visually pleasing, right? The saturated supernatural colors are so dramatic - it looks like a movie in a still picture in some ways.</p>
<p>Do I want it on <b>my</b> wall? Highly unlikely. But a lot of people love it and it&#8217;s an avenue by which they&#8217;ve become super excited about photography. I think that&#8217;s kind of cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Bekman</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9562</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Bekman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd... I hear you. I could see where you'd draw the conclusion. 

I sure didn't write a post singing Flickr's praises, and although I could, I imagine that my reasons for thinking it's great are different than your average Flickr user's.

Flickr has loads of the macros and sunsets and the like, and some people are way into it. As I said initially, it's not my thing, and there's far less of the work you and I are generally interested in to be found there.

My own tastes definitely have their conventions and I think they are probably quite apparent, considering how much new work I show within in a single year. 

One of the reasons that I have a panel for  &lt;a href="http://www.heyhotshot.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hey, Hot Shot!&lt;/a&gt; is because it keeps me from getting stuck in my own rut - panelists often notice work that I might've blown right by. 

It's a good thing to have that input, because I've found that it broadens my horizons. Conversations like this one do too, so thanks for contributing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd&#8230; I hear you. I could see where you&#8217;d draw the conclusion. </p>
<p>I sure didn&#8217;t write a post singing Flickr&#8217;s praises, and although I could, I imagine that my reasons for thinking it&#8217;s great are different than your average Flickr user&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Flickr has loads of the macros and sunsets and the like, and some people are way into it. As I said initially, it&#8217;s not my thing, and there&#8217;s far less of the work you and I are generally interested in to be found there.</p>
<p>My own tastes definitely have their conventions and I think they are probably quite apparent, considering how much new work I show within in a single year. </p>
<p>One of the reasons that I have a panel for  <a href="http://www.heyhotshot.com" rel="nofollow">Hey, Hot Shot!</a> is because it keeps me from getting stuck in my own rut - panelists often notice work that I might&#8217;ve blown right by. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good thing to have that input, because I&#8217;ve found that it broadens my horizons. Conversations like this one do too, so thanks for contributing.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://www.personism.com/2007/03/28/what-makes-a-great-photo-according-to-digg-users/#comment-9558</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry if I insinuated that this was an anti-Flickr post. Reading it through my bias, it does make the macro/sunset/postcard crew seem a bit silly.

Sometimes it's hard to recognize our own "tastes" have conventions that slide into cliche just as easily as any other. Consider your link to Eliot's cliche post the other day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry if I insinuated that this was an anti-Flickr post. Reading it through my bias, it does make the macro/sunset/postcard crew seem a bit silly.</p>
<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s hard to recognize our own &#8220;tastes&#8221; have conventions that slide into cliche just as easily as any other. Consider your link to Eliot&#8217;s cliche post the other day.</p>
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